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Wikidata property for non-fiction characters
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Bodhisattwa Mandal
2018-04-06 14:03:09 UTC
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Hi,

is there any Wikidata property for characters depicted in non-fiction
literatures? I found Properties like characters (P674) for fictions,
depicts (P180) for works like paintings, main subject (P921) for primary
topic of a work, but couldn't find something for non-fictions. Am I missing
something?

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billinghurst
2018-04-06 15:54:23 UTC
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Aren't they just called people? What are you looking to achieve?
depicts(P180) <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P180>statement is
subject of(P805) <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P805>
subject has role(P2868) <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2868>
owner of(P1830) <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1830>
dedicated to(P825) <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P825>
identity of subject in context(P4649)
<https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P4649>
patron(P1962) <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1962>
I predominantly use P805 where it is a chapter, or biographical entry
about a person, so if you can give more context

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>Hi,
>
>is there any Wikidata property for characters depicted in non-fiction
>literatures? I found Properties like characters (P674) for fictions,
>depicts (P180) for works like paintings, main subject (P921) for
>primary topic of a work, but couldn't find something for non-fictions.
>Am I missing something?
>
>--
>Bodhisattwa
>
Nicolas VIGNERON
2018-04-06 16:06:51 UTC
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Hi,

If I understand correctly, Bodhisattwa, you want the same thing as P674 but
for people and non-fiction (instead of character and fiction).
AFAIK, that doesn't exist yet but you should ask for it (on
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal ).

Cdlt, ~nicolas

2018-04-06 17:54 GMT+02:00 billinghurst <***@gmail.com>:

> Aren't they just called people? What are you looking to achieve?
>
> - depicts (P180) <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P180>
> - statement is subject of (P805)
> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P805>
> - subject has role (P2868)
> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2868>
> - owner of (P1830) <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1830>
> - dedicated to (P825) <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P825>
> - identity of subject in context (P4649)
> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P4649>
> - patron (P1962) <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1962>
>
> I predominantly use P805 where it is a chapter, or biographical entry
> about a person, so if you can give more context
>
> -- Billinghurst
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Bodhisattwa Mandal" <***@gmail.com>
> To: "discussion list for Wikisource, the free library" <
> wikisource-***@lists.wikimedia.org>
> Sent: 7/04/2018 12:03:09 AM
> Subject: [Wikisource-l] Wikidata property for non-fiction characters
>
> Hi,
>
> is there any Wikidata property for characters depicted in non-fiction
> literatures? I found Properties like characters (P674) for fictions,
> depicts (P180) for works like paintings, main subject (P921) for primary
> topic of a work, but couldn't find something for non-fictions. Am I missing
> something?
>
> --
> Bodhisattwa
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Bodhisattwa Mandal
2018-04-06 16:08:30 UTC
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Thats correct, Nicolas. I was asking about that. Thanks. ~~~~

On 6 April 2018 at 21:36, Nicolas VIGNERON <***@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> If I understand correctly, Bodhisattwa, you want the same thing as P674
> but for people and non-fiction (instead of character and fiction).
> AFAIK, that doesn't exist yet but you should ask for it (on
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal ).
>
> Cdlt, ~nicolas
>
> 2018-04-06 17:54 GMT+02:00 billinghurst <***@gmail.com>:
>
>> Aren't they just called people? What are you looking to achieve?
>>
>> - depicts (P180) <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P180>
>> - statement is subject of (P805)
>> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P805>
>> - subject has role (P2868)
>> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2868>
>> - owner of (P1830) <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1830>
>> - dedicated to (P825) <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P825>
>> - identity of subject in context (P4649)
>> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P4649>
>> - patron (P1962) <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1962>
>>
>> I predominantly use P805 where it is a chapter, or biographical entry
>> about a person, so if you can give more context
>>
>> -- Billinghurst
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Bodhisattwa Mandal" <***@gmail.com>
>> To: "discussion list for Wikisource, the free library" <
>> wikisource-***@lists.wikimedia.org>
>> Sent: 7/04/2018 12:03:09 AM
>> Subject: [Wikisource-l] Wikidata property for non-fiction characters
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> is there any Wikidata property for characters depicted in non-fiction
>> literatures? I found Properties like characters (P674) for fictions,
>> depicts (P180) for works like paintings, main subject (P921) for primary
>> topic of a work, but couldn't find something for non-fictions. Am I missing
>> something?
>>
>> --
>> Bodhisattwa
>>
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Bodhisattwa Mandal
2018-04-06 18:44:39 UTC
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Hi,

In this item <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q12308313> the property Characters
(P674) <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P674> has been used for a
non-fiction literary work, whereas the property is said to be related to
works of fiction. Now, I am confused, if P674 is allowed for non-fiction
or not?

I am also finding difficulty to propose a name for the new property for
non-fiction characters, shall it be ''Characters in non-fictions'' or is
there any specific term for it?

Help needed.

On 6 April 2018 at 21:38, Bodhisattwa Mandal <***@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thats correct, Nicolas. I was asking about that. Thanks. ~~~~
>
> On 6 April 2018 at 21:36, Nicolas VIGNERON <***@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> If I understand correctly, Bodhisattwa, you want the same thing as P674
>> but for people and non-fiction (instead of character and fiction).
>> AFAIK, that doesn't exist yet but you should ask for it (on
>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal ).
>>
>> Cdlt, ~nicolas
>>
>> 2018-04-06 17:54 GMT+02:00 billinghurst <***@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Aren't they just called people? What are you looking to achieve?
>>>
>>> - depicts (P180) <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P180>
>>> - statement is subject of (P805)
>>> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P805>
>>> - subject has role (P2868)
>>> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2868>
>>> - owner of (P1830) <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1830>
>>> - dedicated to (P825) <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P825>
>>> - identity of subject in context (P4649)
>>> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P4649>
>>> - patron (P1962) <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1962>
>>>
>>> I predominantly use P805 where it is a chapter, or biographical entry
>>> about a person, so if you can give more context
>>>
>>> -- Billinghurst
>>>
>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>> From: "Bodhisattwa Mandal" <***@gmail.com>
>>> To: "discussion list for Wikisource, the free library" <
>>> wikisource-***@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>> Sent: 7/04/2018 12:03:09 AM
>>> Subject: [Wikisource-l] Wikidata property for non-fiction characters
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> is there any Wikidata property for characters depicted in non-fiction
>>> literatures? I found Properties like characters (P674) for fictions,
>>> depicts (P180) for works like paintings, main subject (P921) for primary
>>> topic of a work, but couldn't find something for non-fictions. Am I missing
>>> something?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bodhisattwa
>>>
>>>
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